The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 9: Tools, Tools, Tools
Hosts: Pete and Andy (with bonus ambient drum and bass from a nearby camper van) We dive deep into the practical tools we're using for AI development, exploring the difference between AI as tools versus human-at-the-edge workflows, and discussing the technical complexity of building local AI systems. Key Discussion Points: The Cold Open: Screen Time and Digital Minimalism (00:00-05:52)** Pattern Matching vs. Reasoning in AI (07:00-17:20) Apple's recent paper questioning whether LLMs truly "reason" or just do sophisticated pattern matchingHow thinking models workThe relationship between human thought and AI pattern matchingHow AI systems handle novel problems and the role of entropy AI Tools in Practice (18:50-32:00) Why Cursor has gained such traction compared to alternativesThe importance of context management and local file accessPete's experience with OpenAI's Codex vs. local tools like Cline and CursorThe dopamine feedback loops that make certain tools more engaging Local vs. Cloud AI Systems (30:00-40:00) The benefits of running AI systems locally rather than in web appsAvoiding the complexity of SaaSHow local processing leverages your computer's existing power and storageThe privacy advantages of keeping personal data on your own machine Memory and Knowledge Graphs (38:52-50:00) The limitations of basic RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) systemsIntroduction to graph RAG systems that provide richer contextHow Stakwork uses self-improving graph databases for better AI performanceThe importance of solving the "memory problem" for effective AI systemsLLMs as translation layers between human language and structured data Personal Knowledge Graphs (50:00-58:00) Pete building a personal knowledge graph systemUsing Docker containers and API interfaces for local AI developmentThe challenge of managing context across multiple AI tools and workflowsBethan's book "The Human Edge" Building AI Systems: Technical Complexity (58:00-01:10:00) How accessible it is for non-developers to build AI systems with current toolsThe "slow code" approach: treating development as a learning experienceApply Git liberally!Andy's experiments with N8N for workflow automation and content creation pipelines Workflow Automation vs. Autonomous Agents (01:16:00-01:22:00) Comparing deterministic workflows to autonomous agentsWhy most business tasks are better suited to static workflowsThe role of humans in AI systems: providing intent and experienceEnumeration vs. abstraction: building specific workflows rather than trying to create universal solutions Development Stack and Tools (01:13:00-01:16:00) Pete's current toolkit: Cline, Visual Studio, O3, Claude, Codex, Code, Personal Graph....Plans for a local Nostr-based ebook reader with cross-device syncingPaying for all the tools! Conspiracy Corner: Moon Mysteries and Dead Internet Theory (01:25:00-01:35:00) Discussion of moon landing anomaliesDead Internet Theory and how algorithms shape both content creation and consumptionThe decline of film qualityAI-generated content and the future of creativity Key Quotes: "The job of the LLM isn't to be everything... what LLMs are specifically good at is translating stuff into and out of human language" "The price of bullshit is also dropping to zero" "We're not here to raise low agency children!" "Everyone loves a sausage!"
The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 8: The Golden Age of Entrepreneurship
Pete and Andy explore how AI is creating unprecedented opportunities for entrepreneurship and individual agency, examining both the positive transformations and personal risks in this transitional period. Key Discussion Points: Opening & Technical Difficulties (00:00-05:53) The boys lost their "finest podcast ever recorded" due to technical issues! Learning to Code with AI (08:40-23:40) Andy shares his journey learning to code: Moving beyond "vibe coding" to intentional learning through project-based approachUsing AI as a technical co-founder and mentor rather than just automationStructured methodology: Planning with Claude, building with Cursor, reviewing and iteratingThe importance of staying involved in the process rather than abdicating to AI The "Super Fast Waterfall" Development Process (18:50-22:00) Pete introduces the concept of AI-enabled development methodologyAI excels when given structured frameworks rather than open-ended tasks Permissionless Leverage and the Golden Age (36:40-45:20) Dramatic reduction in barriers to experimentation and starting businessesFrom needing teams, technical co-founders, and investor capital to solo executionShift from audience-of-millions to audience-of-one business models Challenging Traditional Startup Wisdom (45:20-48:40) Critique of Andreessen Horowitz founders' claim that small businesses are "meaningless" Rejection of the scale-equals-significance mentality- Benefits of lower capital requirements and venture-scale returns not being necessaryPersonal fulfillment vs. world-dominating ambitions The World of Abundance (48:40-55:00) Drawing parallels to the Industrial Revolution: AI as a deflationary force similar to mass production- The Value Trap creating financial incentives for disruption Competition eventually driving prices down and creating abundance Humans as Experience and Observers (55:00-62:20) Philosophical discussion on the human role in an AI-driven world: Humans provide the "qualia" - the conscious experience AI lacksPeople identify problems and improvements while AI handles executionRenaissance-style revival where economic abundance enables pursuit of meaningful work Personal Financial Risk in the Transition (62:20-72:00) Major concerns about individual exposure during the AI transition: 30-year mortgages as problematic in uncertain employment landscapeRising interest rate environment making debt service more expensiveThe risk of being heavily leveraged without personal runway Blue-Collar vs White-Collar Displacement (72:00-75:00) Short-term risks in traditional "safe haven" industries: White-collar displacement potentially flooding entry-level tradesImportance of finding unique personal value propositions Creating for Yourself, Not Audiences (75:00-End) Drawing from Rick Rubin's creative philosophy: The value of non-commercial creative pursuits- AI enabling leisure and space for meaningful creative workYour job becomes experiencing life and improving its sharp edges for others Key Insights: "This is a renaissance for entrepreneurs. If you're entrepreneurial minded, this is just a huge, an amazing time to be alive." "The cost of experimentation has just dropped precipitously and that is in general good for society." "Your job is to experience life and to realise where the sharp edges are and to improve them for everybody else."** Bottom Line: AI represents the greatest opportunity for individual agency and entrepreneurship in generations, but success requires intentional engagement with the technology rather than passive adoption, while carefully managing personal financial risk during the transition period.
The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 7: Rise of the Generalist
Hosts: Pete and Andy (recording at City Beach, Perth) Episode Overview: In this episode, the hosts discuss automating their podcast production pipeline and explore how AI is changing knowledge work. They examine the impact of AI on jobs, explaining how it gradually automates tasks at a "subatomic" level rather than replacing entire roles immediately. The conversation delves into effective strategies for working with AI coding tools, the future of work, and why generalists with adaptable skills may thrive in an AI-powered economy. ------ Podcast Production Automation (00:55 - 03:35)- The hosts describe automating their podcast production workflow- Their system handles audio processing, transcription, and content generation- AI tools generate show notes, article summaries, and identify potential clips- The goal is to streamline marketing efforts without manual interventionContent Generation at Scale (03:35 - 06:07)- Discussion of how automated processes save hours of manual work- Possibility of using voice cloning technology - Creating purpose-built content for different platforms from source materialKnowledge Capture in Organizations (06:07 - 10:44)- Applying similar automation techniques to organizational knowledge management- Capturing and sharing discussions across an organization- Using knowledge graphs to store company information- Creating personalized content delivery based on preferencesAI for Problem-Solving (10:44 - 15:25)- Challenging the criticism that AI can't solve novel problems- Discussion of Pablo's "Tenex agent framework" for problem-solving (https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs227u92fagkjfwx590qe9z58m6fku9luy3tejylgwy5efz23rzndgqd0h93)- Importance of allowing AI time to work through complex problems- Comparison to human problem-solving processes that also require trial and errorAI's Impact on Jobs (23:30 - 31:20)- Examining how AI impacts jobs at a "subatomic" task level- Discussion of why people don't see their jobs as replaceable- Second-order effects of partial job automation (consolidation, wage impacts)- Historical context of technological disruption and job displacementFuture of Work in an AI Economy (31:20 - 38:35)- Debate on what jobs might remain protected from automation- Potential government responses (regulation, UBI, job programs)- Economic impacts like tax base erosion and inflation*- The shift to generalist skills in uncertain environmentsEffective AI Coding Techniques (57:30 - 1:08:00)- Strategies for working effectively with AI coding tools- Using a sequential approach rather than one-shot generation- The importance of planning before coding- Having Claude as a "project manager" while using Cursor for implementation- Balancing speed with understanding and control "Your job isn't a whole, it's 200 sub-jobs... and any one of them is automatable already given time and tooling"
The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 6:
You Can Just Learn Things Hosts: Pete and Andy (recording at City Beach, Perth in their van) Episode Overview: Pete and Andy explore how AI is transforming education and learning, discussing the future education, the power of self-directed learning, what kids should be learning and how AI can positively impact high-quality personalized education. AI and the Future of Learning (02:50-05:43) Discussion about what kids should study in a rapidly changing job market Pete's children are developing entrepreneurial skills with AI support The "Teddy Fashion Boutique" business Pete's daughter has created Exploring game development with AI for Pete's son's tabletop gaming interests Rethinking Traditional Education (05:43-10:30) Critique of the industrial-era "assembly line" approach to education The importance of play-based and child-led learning approaches How AI can enable a shift from classroom instruction to personalized mentoring Questioning the value of traditional education when information costs approach zero Personal Learning Journeys with AI (10:30-16:17) Coding with AI assistanceHow AI provides the patience and personalization needed to build learning momentum The importance of having projects you're motivated to build rather than abstract learning The Intelligent Assembly Line of Education (16:17-20:30) School structure mimics industrial assembly linesAI allows for removing the time constraints on educationLearning can become more ad-hoc and follow natural curiosityEducation doesn't need to be confined to specific years in a person's life Learning Through Knowledge Graphs (47:56-52:13) Using AI to break down courses into concepts, topics and abstractionsCreating a "map" of both what exists to be learned and what a person knowsNavigating a personalized learning path from current knowledge to desired knowledgeAI can identify the optimal path through connected concepts for each individual Purpose and Agency in Learning (34:40-37:40) Will AI force people to rediscover purpose beyond jobs?The relationship between agency and purpose?AI as a catalyst for pursuing learning aligned with personal interests Democratizing High-Quality Education (52:13-56:33) How AI can provide the benefits of one-to-one tutoring at scaleUsing AI to create personalized explanations at appropriate complexity levelsThe value of learning in context rather than in the abstractCreating immersive, engaging learning experiences tailored to individual interests Credentialism vs. Learning (01:01:56-01:15:03) Questioning the value of credentials in a world of commoditized expertiseThe shift from credential-based systems to meritocracyThe permissionless nature of learning with AI vs. permission-based traditional education "You Can Just Learn Things" (01:11:12-01:15:06) The democratizing power of AI in allowing anyone to learn anythingNo need to wait feor permission or formal instruction to pursue knowledgeHow to use AI tools effectively for learning (even without sophisticated tooling)The inevitable bifurcation between those who embrace self-directed AI learning and those who don't Memorable Quotes: "You can just learn things." (01:11:24)"The beauty of play is it doesn't feel like work." (30:44)"We spent most of our adult lives trying to track back to that childlike creativity." (31:04)"I think education is going to change quite drastically." (01:01:30)"It doesn't matter what we say to differentiate ourselves in a market. It's more about what we build and how we prove out the values we want to operate by." (09:27)
The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 5: Billy Big Models
Hosts: Pete and Andy (recording at City Beach, Perth) Episode Overview: Pete and Andy challenge the belief that more advanced AI models are needed for business transformation, arguing existing models are already sufficient to achieve dramatic cost reductions. They explore frameworks for AI implementation and why businesses should act now rather than waiting for future developments. Agriculture Mechanization as an AI Parallel (03:40-06:42) Before mechanization: 10 farm workers needed to feed 1 person; after: 1 farmer feeds 100+ Similar dramatic workforce changes could occur in knowledge sectors with AI The "Billy Big Models" Concept (11:06-15:10) Central question: Do we need more advanced AI models for business transformation?Pete argues we don't need models better than what existed 9-12 months agoChallenging the industry narrative focused on larger models and AGI Augmentation vs. Agentic Approaches (18:12-22:00) Augmentation: Using AI tools to enhance existing human jobs (current focus)Agentic: Completely rewiring business processes on an "AI native" standardThe distinction between "assist" vs. "automate" approaches Task Decomposition as the Key (23:22-25:55) Breaking down jobs into "subatomic" tasks is crucialEach agent only needs to do one small task well, not an entire job100 simple agents is exponentially easier than creating one complex agentHuman tasks ($100) → LLM tasks ($10) → silicon/code tasks ($1) Traditional Business Model Problems (29:10-32:38) Companies adding AI as "tool creep" rather than rethinking from first principlesPursuing 5-15% efficiency gains when competitors might achieve 90% cost reductionProcesses designed around humans remain expensive even with AI tools E-commerce Parallel to AI Transformation (35:44-39:12) Limited approach: existing stores simply adding websites (e.g., Myer)Transformative approach: complete rethinking (e.g., Warby Parker)Question of whether incumbents will be displaced by AI-native businesses Obstacles to Business Transformation (43:56-49:57) Lack of understanding about AI implementation approachesInsufficient intent, time, and money to transform operationsMiddle management's disincentives to reduce team sizeWaiting for "AGI" as an excuse for inaction The "Learn to Surf" Analogy (53:28-55:51) Business transformation requires reading patterns like a surferTechnology shifts as waves that businesses must learn to rideThe ocean/wave is more powerful than you - you must adapt to it Agency as the New Competitive Advantage (56:46-01:00:02) High-agency individuals will benefit most in the next 5-10 yearsAgency may become "the new IQ" for harvesting opportunityThe need for adaptability rather than rigid expertise Advancements Beyond Bigger Models (01:03:40-01:10:45) Recent key advancements weren't bigger models but new techniques:Multi-agent architectures mirroring how teams of people approach problems. Notable Quotes: "If you're sat around waiting for AGI and AGI takes 10 years, and right now I can take 80% of the cost out of a business line, I will crush you in the market.""What would this process look like if I now had unlimited access to intelligence?""Agency is going to be the new IQ. That's the standard for harvesting opportunity."
Good Stuff 04 - The Intelligent Assembly Line (audio)
Pete Winn, Andy David Pete and Andy explore how AI will transform business processes through "The Intelligent Assembly Line" - breaking down complex knowledge work into smaller, automatable components. This episode examines how AI is shifting business processes from human-centered to human-at-the-edge, and having a similar impact as Henry Ford's assembly line.
# AI Business Strategy: Build vs Buy Decision Framework
**Hosts:** Pete and Andy (virtually at the beach with their new cinematic backdrop) ## Core Topic Strategic decision-making in the AI era: whether to build new AI-native businesses or acquire and transform existing ones, examining capital allocation strategies and transformation approaches for different industry contexts.
Good Stuff Podcast - Episode 2: The Value Trap
Hosts: Andy and Pete Andy and Pete dive into their "Value Trap" framework a visual framework to explain how AI will transform industries and the approach to escape the value trap.
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# The Good Stuff, with Pete and Andy - Episode 4: The Intelligent Assembly Line
**Hosts:** Andy and Pete (recorded in a van at City Beach, Perth, with Tai Chi practitioners visible in the background) **Episode Overview:** Pete and Andy explore how AI will transform business processes through "The Intelligent Assembly Line" - breaking down complex knowledge work into smaller components that can be automated, similar to how Henry Ford revolutionized manufacturing with the assembly line. --- ## Key Discussion Points ### Opening Chat: Teaching Kids in the AI Era (01:16-07:53) - Pete describes creating an AI-powered "Teddy Fashion Boutique" business with his 8-year-old daughter - Discussion about teaching children entrepreneurship and making money online at a young age - The value of showing kids they can make money on the internet and developing agency - Using AI to overcome learning barriers in various skills like coding and music ### The Intelligent Assembly Line Concept (12:20-14:44) - Comparing modern AI implementation to Henry Ford's assembly line revolution (1913) - Ford transformed car manufacturing by breaking down complex artisan tasks into simple components - Assembly line reduced car production time from 12.5 hours to 93 minutes - By 1914, Ford produced more vehicles than all other manufacturers combined ### Historical Impact of the Assembly Line (14:44-18:50) - Assembly line led to the 5-day work week and 8-hour day work structure - Ford doubled wages to $5/day while reducing work hours - Discussion of how these industrial work patterns still influence knowledge work today - Questioning why these paradigms persist in modern work environments ### The New Paradigm: Units of Intelligence (22:00-24:46) - **Current paradigm:** humans are the "form factor" for intelligence in business at ~$100k per unit - **New paradigm:** intelligence can be purchased in smaller units at drastically lower costs (cents) - Human intelligence is constrained (hours, energy, variability) while AI is not - Breaking jobs into smaller components allows for more efficient automation ### Bionic Human vs. Human at the Edge (25:57-30:41) Two models of AI implementation: - **Bionic human:** humans use AI tools to enhance their capabilities (current mainstream approach) - **Human at the edge:** AI does core work 24/7, humans only interface at boundaries - The shift from human-centered to machine-centered processes is key to maximizing efficiency ### Why People Think AI Won't Replace Their Jobs (30:41-38:52) - People often test AI with their entire job and find it lacking, giving false security - Framework of AI implementation stages - Current resistance to AI often based on LLM-only experience ### Memory and Context in AI Systems (38:52-48:00) - Key to effective AI is solving the "memory problem" - Combining semantic knowledge with contextual memory and examples - The power of providing examples into AI systems dramatically improves output - Using knowledge graphs and databases to enhance AI capabilities ### Process Mapping and Enumeration (48:50-55:06) - Many business processes are poorly documented or understood - Breaking down processes reveals they're often far more complex than perceived - AI implementation requires better enumeration of tasks - Enterprise memory is lost when people leave organizations ### Capital Allocation and Market Disruption (01:15:06-01:19:04) - Capital allocators can bypass traditional product-market fit models - Traditional service businesses with established markets are prime for disruption ### Future of Work and Human Value (01:22:35-01:27:54) - Shift in working identity as humans move from center to edge of processes - Potential for humans to pursue higher-value creative work - Rethinking the 9-to-5 work structure in an AI-powered world ### Conspiracy Corner (01:28:44-01:34:39) - Discussion about human intuition and creativity --- ## Core Concepts ### The Assembly Line Analogy Just as Henry Ford broke down complex car manufacturing into simple, repeatable tasks that dramatically increased efficiency and reduced costs, AI enables breaking down knowledge work into smaller components that can be automated at scale. ### Intelligence as a Commodity The fundamental shift from viewing human intelligence as the primary unit of business capability (~$100k/year) to purchasing intelligence in much smaller, more cost-effective units through AI systems. ### Process Transformation Models - **Human-Centered:** Traditional approach where humans remain at the center with AI as tools - **Machine-Centered:** Revolutionary approach where AI handles core processes and humans operate at decision boundaries ### The Memory Problem Effective AI implementation requires solving how systems remember, contextualize, and apply knowledge - combining semantic understanding with specific examples and organizational memory.
# AI Business Strategy: Build vs Buy Decision Framework
**Hosts:** Pete and Andy (virtually at the beach with their new cinematic backdrop) ## Core Topic Strategic decision-making in the AI era: whether to build new AI-native businesses or acquire and transform existing ones, examining capital allocation strategies and transformation approaches for different industry contexts. ## Two Primary Strategies ### Build Strategy: AI-Native from Scratch Creating new businesses without legacy constraints, leveraging AI capabilities from inception. **When to Build:** - Incumbent organizations are trapped in "inertia traps" and slow to adopt AI - A beginner's mindset can lead to radically different approaches - Customer acquisition costs can be significantly reduced with AI-native solutions - Service delivery can be fundamentally transformed through AI - Speed to market with AI-native solutions outweighs existing asset value ### Buy Strategy: Acquire and Transform Purchasing established businesses with existing customers and transforming them through AI integration. **When to Buy:** - Customer acquisition and trust-building are expensive or time-consuming - Significant regulatory or compliance barriers exist - Brand and credibility serve as critical differentiators - Distribution networks represent high-value, difficult-to-replicate assets - Existing customer contracts create substantial switching costs ## Key Decision Factors - Industry characteristics and competitive dynamics - Customer switching costs and acquisition expenses - Trust and credibility requirements - Regulatory and compliance complexity - Capital requirements and resource availability ## Strategic Frameworks and Concepts ### The "Truck Size" Analogy *"If I can buy a bucket of cognition for $1 instead of $100,000, why is the truck that big? What changes?"* Historical business processes were designed around humans as the sole source of intelligence. AI enables complete reimagining of processes without human constraints, questioning why systems are sized and structured as they are. ### Chesterton's Gate Principle Understanding the rationale behind legacy systems before redesigning them—recognizing why processes exist in their current form before transformation. ### The "Netflix Model" Incubating new AI-native businesses alongside existing operations, allowing for innovation without disrupting core business functions. ## Transformation Challenges ### Organizational Dynamics - Embedded resistance to change in established businesses - Complex system transitions with interdependent components - Managing stakeholder expectations during transformation - Balancing innovation with operational continuity ### The "Intelligent Assembly Line" Methodology Practical framework for systematic business transformation through AI integration. **Key Insight:** *"This ability to branch at that point always required a human, so you have to have a person in a chair doing that. This implies that you no longer need to put somebody in a chair."* ## Case Studies and Applications ### Duolingo Analysis Exploration of how language learning applications might evolve with AI integration and immersive experience technologies. ### Distribution vs. Technology Value Balancing the worth of existing customer bases against new technical capabilities and AI-driven innovations. ## Market and Investment Considerations ### Competition Dynamics The potential for individual entrepreneurs to create competitive AI applications that challenge established players. ### Long-term Value Creation - Where to build sustainable equity as technical moats erode rapidly - Shifting company lifecycles in public markets (from 60+ years to 15-20 years) - Bitcoin as potential value preservation during industry transformations ## Strategic Implementation ### Acquisition Considerations *"The actual overall cost of that business would include all of those things, effectively as assets. The people involved, the employees are all part of the business that you're buying."* ### Transformation Steps Practical methodologies for companies implementing AI transformation while avoiding the "value trap" of unsuccessful change management. ## Key Takeaway The fundamental question for any business in the AI era is understanding how dramatically reduced cognitive costs change optimal business structure, process design, and competitive positioning.
Good Stuff Podcast - Episode 2: The Value Trap
Hosts: Andy and Pete Andy and Pete dive into their "Value Trap" framework a visual framework to explain how AI will transform industries and the approach to escape the value trap. Introduction and reflection on their lo-fi podcast approachExplanation of the "Value Trap" concept Phase 1: Cost reduction through AI implementation Phase 2: Revenue growth and pricing power Phase 3: Competition and mean reversion - Capital allocation strategies for the AI transition - Business characteristics that fare better through this transition - The paradox of technology laggards benefiting most from AI - Strategies for incumbents: The "Netflix model" of business transformation - Buy vs. build approaches for traditional businesses - Risk management during AI transformation - Potential macroeconomic impacts of widespread job displacement - Monetary policy implications and inflation concerns - Buy Bitcoin "This is a renaissance for entrepreneurs. If you're entrepreneurial minded, this is just a huge, an amazing time to be alive."
Hosts: Andy and Pete (recorded at City Beach, Perth)
Episode Overview: The inaugural episode explores how AI will transform business models, where value will accrue, and strategic approaches for businesses adapting to AI. Key Discussion Points: Value Shift in AI: The hosts argue that value in AI won't primarily accrue to companies like OpenAI but to traditional service businesses that leverage AI to transform their operations. Transformation of Traditional Businesses: Businesses with language-heavy workflows and high human labor costs can use AI to shift the "unit of intelligence" from humans to scalable AI systems, potentially achieving software-style margins. Hyper-Localization: Pete predicts a future where power and control shift to small businesses that can leverage commodity intelligence, rather than large centralized players. SaaS Evolution: Discussion about whether SaaS business models will decline as AI enables more custom-built solutions specific to individual business needs, reducing dependency on one-size-fits-all platforms. App Players vs. Agentic Workflows: The hosts debate whether there will be an "app player renaissance" or if agentic workflows will eliminate the need for traditional application interfaces. First Principles Thinking: Businesses need to reimagine their processes from first principles rather than simply adding AI tools to existing workflows. Human Role Transformation: A key insight is the shift of humans from being central to business processes to working "at the edge" - where humans become interfaces with the real world while AI handles core processes. The Value Trap: Andy and Pete introduce the concept of the "value trap" - where initial AI efficiency gains create massive value, but competition eventually erodes pricing power, potentially creating challenging transitions. Transformation Strategies: Discussion of whether businesses should create "digital twins" (like Netflix did when moving from DVDs to streaming) or transform their existing operations. Capital Allocation Opportunity: Private equity and venture capital firms are already raising funds to acquire businesses specifically to implement AI transformation strategies. Looking Ahead: The hosts tease a deeper discussion of the "value trap" concept for episode two, promising to show listeners how to navigate this transitional period.Closing Thought: "We spent the last two decades searching for product market fit, and it turned out the valuable thing was just to stick with the companies that already had it."